Curse

Archaic · Sep 26, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by R!ghteous Ind!gnation

lol @ with authority. Anet has a long track record of listening to its users... more than 75% of its player base want this (see the GWO thread) so why ignore it?

I miswrote that. Anyways, ANet has told you they can't and won't do it. On grounds of PvE balance. So stop making pointless repeat threads, and find something better to do on the forums.

Isileth · Sep 26, 2007, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Archaic this has nothing to do with balance. A group of 7 heroes and 1 player is weaker than a team of 8 players.

BlackSephir · Sep 26, 2007, 09:25 PM // 21:25

I thought people ruined the game.
Yeah, I also hated people in alpha testing, I hate them now.

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Sep 26, 2007, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Archaic

I miswrote that. Anyways, ANet has told you they can't and won't do it. On grounds of PvE balance. So stop making pointless repeat threads, and find something better to do on the forums.

Thats just the point that you're missing.... they say that they WONT do it... the reasons they give for cant are bogus. And why wont they?... the good lord only knows. please read my previous rebuttal to your statement for further information.

Archaic · Sep 26, 2007, 09:30 PM // 21:30

They are not doing this. I implore a moderator to come out from where-ever they hide and close this topic. Further discussion by people who obviously didn't get the idea when ANet said ''no'', don't really need to keep spamming and talking, when ANet has said NO.

It is all about balance, btw, because 7 heroes is wayyyyy stronger than 8 people. I'm sorry, but lrn2play.

the_jos · Sep 26, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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It speeds things up over standard h/h and is still significantly slower than a good guild group.

Well, you forget one thing there.

When playing with a guild group you need to organize things and that takes time.
A couple of days ago we did a spontanious FoW run and it took about 45 minutes to set up a team (getting people to join, deciding on professions, 'omg... I have homework. Cya', 'everyone has 3 hours at least to play?', 'Oh, I have to ask my mum', 'wait', 'Y, I can play').
Now take heroes.
Go to ToA 1, load heroes, load templates, go.
You just won 45 minutes.
Same story for spontanious vanquishing with a larger group.
Mind you that I'm in a dedicated HM guild, so people are willing to join quite often on spontanious events.

The only thing to avoid this is making a schedule, get enough people to sign up, appoint roles and builds and insist on people that signed up to join or get boot from guild (sounds like a PvP guild to me).
With a bit of luck you can start 15 minutes after scheduled time.
Since H&H allow for spontanious group setup, I will keep that as reference.

Once in an area the guild group will be faster.
But there is still 45 minutes to make up for the initial group setup.
Did you also calculate that in your 'significantly slower' statement?

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Im not certain why exactly your so adamantly opposed to allowing players to have another tool in their arsenal?

Oh, I am not opposed to an other tool.
I just know that if A-net even starts thinking about this again (which they probably don't) they need to dedicate resources to it (it's not as easy as it sounds to implement).
And since resources are limited, other things will not be done.
I can think of very few things that are less important than 7 heroes.
There is no need, only 'nice to have' and no-one has yet convinced me that this is a 'must have'.

Isileth · Sep 26, 2007, 09:33 PM // 21:33

ok Archaic lost all credabilty with the statement that 7 heroes are "wayyyyy" stronger than 8 people.

Im sure there is a whole lot of logic and reason behind that right? Because Heroes can move out of AoE, they can choose the best spells to int, they can pre kite, they stay in wards, they combo skill together. Yeah they really are great.

Unless of course all that was sarcastic...hmm
It might be actually.

In which case real players > Heroes.

Loviatar · Sep 26, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by R!ghteous Ind!gnation

Thats just the point that you're missing.... they say that they WONT do it... the reasons they give for cant are bogus.

either apologize for calling them liars or give proof that you know more about the game coding than the designers/programmers you say are lying

Isileth · Sep 26, 2007, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

either apologize for calling them liars or give proof that you know more about the game coding than the designers/programmers you say are lying

Well they said it wasnt "in their design view" which means they didnt want to do it not they couldnt. Besides the fact they have heroes ingame shows adding heroes is completely possible.

Should enough support for this idea bring it to their attention again they may reconsider.

Archaic · Sep 26, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

7 hero's is though. Have seven custom AI henchman who can interrupt perfectly, heal more effectively(in dire situations). They have better reflexes, ad 7 hero's would make PvE broken. It'd be too easy. So yeah. I'm creditless, and you, your QQing.

BlackSephir · Sep 26, 2007, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by Archaic

It is all about balance, btw, because 7 heroes is wayyyyy stronger than 8 people. I'm sorry, but lrn2play.

AHAHAHAHA
Heroes with their limited AI (they even can't run ZB monk or SS echo necro FFS) are stronger than a party of 8 people with pve skills?
Learnnot2phail

Isileth · Sep 26, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Archaic...

Yes they int faster...but they will happily int a poor skill such as flare and then let MS through. A player wouldnt do that.
Yes a monk who reacts faster, but doesnt know to use ZB on targets only under 50%. Same for WoH. A monk who wont kite and cant manage energy.
Yes a hero than cant maintain enchantments automatically and wont cast them again once removed.

Yeah they deffinately make everything so much easier.

To suggest they are more powerful than a player really is absurd.

Sab · Sep 26, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Archaic

7 hero's is though. Have seven custom AI henchman who can interrupt perfectly, heal more effectively(in dire situations). They have better reflexes, ad 7 hero's would make PvE broken. It'd be too easy. So yeah. I'm creditless, and you, your QQing.

I think you've been playing with some very bad players.

Star Gazer · Sep 27, 2007, 12:22 AM // 00:22

archaic + anet =

archaic, instead of playing dev (its not halloween YET silly), how about you do something productive and tell the rest of the dev guild Zealots of Shiverpeaks (ZoS) to come read this post and realize that people DO have lives outside of this game, and that they DO want to access high end content.

FyrFytr998 · Sep 27, 2007, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Maybe they'll do it for us right before GW2 drops. So this way anyone not coming over can have some fun, lol.

Then again, probably not.

Gattocheese · Sep 27, 2007, 12:57 AM // 00:57

maybe the mods can kill this thread like the other one

Vinraith · Sep 27, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by Gattocheese

maybe the mods can kill this thread like the other one

If you don't like the thread, don't read the thread. The thread, you see, is OPTIONAL, unlike playing with other people in elite zones.

Isileth · Sep 27, 2007, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Im hoping this thread is left open. As it isnt a suggestion. While no more suggestions on the subject are being accepted discussing the pros and cons amongst players should be fine.

And if someone from Anet gets so bored as to wander into this thread they might have a read.

Gattocheese · Sep 27, 2007, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

If you don't like the thread, don't read the thread. The thread, you see, is OPTIONAL, unlike playing with other people in elite zones.

I actually did enjoy reading this thread. I agree its totally optional. But when a discussion thread turns into name calling and telling people they fail as a player it kinda goes off base and ends up being fodder after a while. Its hard for people to stay on track on forums, its easier for people to call each other names with no points attached. Just saying if people dont want to keep to the conduct rules, maybe they should close this one as well.

Vinraith · Sep 27, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by Gattocheese

Just saying if people dont want to keep to the conduct rules, maybe they should close this one as well.

That I wouldn't disagree with, though it is worth noting that it's specific individuals (from both sides of the issue) that are creating the problem and not the issue itself.